“The greatest thing we can do is love our neighbor as ourselves.” — Miles McPherson


In this episode, Brian interviews Miles McPherson about his book, “The Third Option: Hope for a Racially Divided Nation,” in which he explains that we must learn to see people not by the color of their skin, but as humans created in the image of God. Miles also talks about his time in the NFL, how he overcame his drug addiction and how he went on to found the Rock Church in San Diego.



  • How Miles has navigated his faith journey.
  • How he built his organization.
  • His top three tips for honoring somebody.



The Third Option: Hope for a Racially Divided Nation,” by Miles McPherson

How to Read a Book,” by Mortimer J. Adler and Charles Van Doren


The Rock Church San Diego



“I think the secret sauce for me was being real. I mean, I talk about my sins all the time.” — Miles McPherson

“As a church, we’re trying to bring hope to every person we can, loving people where they’re at.” — Miles McPherson

“Whenever you’re going through a trial and you wonder where God is, just remember that during the test the teacher is always silent.” — Anonymous

“Be a servant. And understand what service you are providing to your customer.” — Miles McPherson

“This book is about honoring what we have in common.” — Miles McPherson

“We’re all made in the image of God. We’re all made for the purpose and with the ability to have loving relationships with each other.” — Miles McPherson

“This book is going to teach us how to recognize the blind spots that we have; how to get over the fear that we have, the ignorance that we have; how to understand, how to love correctly. It’s going to give us tools to honor one another and develop stronger relationships with each other, no matter what we look like.” — Miles McPherson

“When people think about having a race conversation, they always think about, well, I would assume, a race confrontation. Really, it should be a race consultation.” — Miles McPherson

“Speak to people with a posture of learning and not assuming.” — Miles McPherson

“In our country, we’re looking at people, we’re thinking everybody’s a monster. But really, we’re just brothers.” – Miles McPherson

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